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Special Board meeting about restarting the election [message #14671] Tue, 28 November 2017 14:27 Go to next message
Tom Upchurch is currently offline  Tom Upchurch
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Cord's resignation creates two problems with the election currently
being held. First, he was a candidate and didn't resign until after 13
people had voted. Second, he voted and there is no way to delete a
vote, There is a large chance that the outcome will be different than
if he hadn't participated.

The board will meet tomorrow to decide if we need to restart and if so
do we hold a shorter election or do we delay it. We don't have a time
set for the meeting yet but probably the usual 6:00 PM.

Any feedback by email or participation in the meeting is welcome.
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Re: Special Board meeting about restarting the election [message #14672 is a reply to message #14671] Tue, 28 November 2017 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tom Upchurch is currently offline  Tom Upchurch
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Thanks Ben,

I thought we were over the hump. Maybe if all the candidates agree to
go ahead we can avoid restarting.


On 11/28/2017 02:30 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
> Regarding him voting, if he was paid up at the time of the election
> his vote is still valid. He shouldn't lose franchise just because he
> is no longer a member afterwards.
>
> As for him not being a candidate anymore, the stacked ranking
> mechanism used in the election should handle such a situation gracefully.
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:27 PM, tom upchurch > wrote:
>
> Cord's resignation creates two problems with the election
> currently being held. First, he was a candidate and didn't resign
> until after 13 people had voted. Second, he voted and there is no
> way to delete a vote, There is a large chance that the outcome
> will be different than if he hadn't participated.
>
> The board will meet tomorrow to decide if we need to restart an
...

Re: Special Board meeting about restarting the election [message #14673 is a reply to message #14672] Tue, 28 November 2017 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Bacarella is currently offline  Michael Bacarella
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So anyone that's running that ragequits because of controversy can cause an
election reboot? We'll never have an election at this rate.

Why not go with what would happen by default? Let the election go on as
scheduled and fill four seats and let the new 2018 BoD decide how to fill
the fifth? They can just treat it like Cord resigned on day zero and have
the remaining 4 BoD members fill the fifth seat by appointment. They can
choose the runner up in the election for maximum democracy. Or any other
criteria.

There, saved you a special meeting and chaos of rebooting the election.


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:47 PM, tom upchurch
wrote:

> Thanks Ben,
>
> I thought we were over the hump. Maybe if all the candidates agree to go
> ahead we can avoid restarting.
>
> On 11/28/2017 02:30 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>
> Regarding him voting, if he was paid up at the time of the election his
> vote is still valid. He shouldn't lose franchise just because he is no
> longer a memb
...

Re: Special Board meeting about restarting the election [message #14674 is a reply to message #14673] Tue, 28 November 2017 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rick Osgood is currently offline  Rick Osgood
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It really shouldn't matter since you are supposed to rank all 10 candidates
in your order of preference. If Cord was your #2 choice (random example)
and he leaves the running, your number 3 choice would be next anyway.
Though maybe I misunderstand how this type of voting works?

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Michael Bacarella <
EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:

> So anyone that's running that ragequits because of controversy can cause
> an election reboot? We'll never have an election at this rate.
>
> Why not go with what would happen by default? Let the election go on as
> scheduled and fill four seats and let the new 2018 BoD decide how to fill
> the fifth? They can just treat it like Cord resigned on day zero and have
> the remaining 4 BoD members fill the fifth seat by appointment. They can
> choose the runner up in the election for maximum democracy. Or any other
> criteria.
>
> There, saved you a special meeting and chaos of rebooting the election.
>
>
...

Re: Special Board meeting about restarting the election [message #14675 is a reply to message #14674] Tue, 28 November 2017 15:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ben Hallert is currently offline  Ben Hallert
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Maybe I'm slow, but I don't understand how someone withdrawing from the election would cause a reset. He was a member in good standing when he voted (and still is, whether he wants to be or not, until the month is out) and real life is full of people withdrawing from elections or having the bad grace to die before it's held and their names are still on the ballot.

What am I missing?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

- Ben
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To: Michael Bacarella
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Subject: Re: [EMS Discuss] Special Board meeting about restarting the election

It really shouldn't matter since you are supposed to rank all 10 candidates in your order of preference. If Cord was your #2 choice (random example) and he leaves the running, your number 3 choice would be next anyway. Though maybe I misunderstand how this type of voting works?

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Michael Bacarella wrote:
So anyone that's running that rag
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Re: Special Board meeting about restarting the election [message #14676 is a reply to message #14674] Tue, 28 November 2017 18:45 Go to previous message
Tom Upchurch is currently offline  Tom Upchurch
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I agree with you. I think the chance of this making a difference in the
outcome is pretty small and if Cord wins we can replace him much easier
than scheduling a new election. Even if it does make a small difference
its unpredictable and within the normal election process anyway.


On 11/28/2017 03:13 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
> It really shouldn't matter since you are supposed to rank all 10
> candidates in your order of preference. If Cord was your #2 choice
> (random example) and he leaves the running, your number 3 choice would
> be next anyway. Though maybe I misunderstand how this type of voting
> works?
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Michael Bacarella
> wrote:
>
> So anyone that's running that ragequits because of controversy can
> cause an election reboot? We'll never have an election at this rate.
>
> Why not go with what would happen by default? Let the election go
> on as scheduled and fill four seats and let the
...

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